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Buck

Nice looking stereo Don.

DonnyUv2

Buck thanks. It’s part of a nostalgia phase I’m going through. I had a nice setup previously with a good modern AV receiver and Paradigm theater surround system (5 channels). But it doesn’t translate to listening to music properly. You don’t get the true stereo sound that the music was recorded in. Doing a lot of things the old fashioned way lately.

FYI for anyone who listens to a lot of music. If your phone is your source, meaning digital (and you stream) you’re getting a fraction of the music. Digital/streaming returns low quality compression of the musical data. Say a vinyl album has 100% of the data recorded, your phone/streaming is giving you about 30% of that same data. One might argue you can’t tell the difference when listening- but they’d be technically wrong. It just comes down to what your ear likes in comparison to the effort you want to put into it really. That was the whole driving force behind Neil Young’s effort to create his own service.

ocala

DonnyUv2
My hearing isn’t that good but I would love to hear a side by side comparison of what your talking about.
I use YouTube Music to stream. They have a setting, low med hi, for both cellular and wifi but TBH I can’t tell the difference.

mechmat

Hi res audio streaming absolutely has better dynamics and more detail than vinyl, it’s a scientific fact.

Standard streaming services are not hi res, but most of them offer it for more money (Apple music, Amazon, Spotify,etc) plus there are specialty services like Tidal and Qobuz. Technically CDs have more detail as well, but it took them awhile to figure out how to properly record to digital, so some really old CDs sound like ass.

Vinyl will often sound more “right” because that’s the way your used to hearing it, but that has nothing to do with detail. One of the audio review sites tried a blind comparison awhile back and their conclusion was that music original recorded for vinyl generally sounded better on vinyl and music originally recorded for digital generally sounded better on digital.

DonnyUv2

mechmat Hi res audio streaming absolutely has better dynamics and more detail than vinyl, it’s a scientific fact.

They don’t give it to you though, that was Neil’s issue. Most people thought his boycott and pushback on the industry was political it wasn’t . It was about getting the actual music you paid for.
As far as what sounds better, I’ll say this. If you don’t know what you’re not getting from the musical data then you won’t miss it 99% of the time. But like I told Ocala, it’s simply about what you want to hear relative to the effort you want to put into it.

I have pretty good ears, I’ll die on the hill of “there is more depth from vinyl music 95% of the time” than digital music. Does that equate to sounding better all the time? No, there are so many factors to our subjective ears.

DonnyUv2

mechmat interesting- I went into Apple Music app settings to enable lossless function. It is an extreme data load and I got this message, which again gets to my point that using phones for music doesn’t give you all the music without strings attached.
Frankly who has or would bother with such an external device?

Buck

Vinyl is a PITA. It’s a hobby unto itself. Inefficient. A cassette deck or rocking in your vehicle is efficient access to music. The simplicity is important in that one can listen to more music.

DonnyUv2

Buck vinyl is a commitment.
You set the stylus down and you’re saying “I’m in it for the whole side”.

DrMemory

DonnyUv2 It’s a matter of personal taste and for many like myself, vinyl was how I learned to listen to music and now I’m old and set in my ways.
I’m sure it’s different for those who started listening to music during the CD era.

It all comes down to what makes your ears happy.
I’ve tried the high quality Blu-Ray surround sound version of Quadrophenia, my go-to album for testing out a sound system, and my 50 year old vinyl original Brit cut of the album still makes my ear happier.

The Blu-Ray sounds cold as ice, the vinyl is like a warm blanket.

4GetChicago

ocala I steelhead fish the Rocky River all the time with eggsacks from shore into February. Right off Cedar point rd under a bridge. First cast many times.

ocala

4GetChicago
Chicago I grew up right there. Where the East branch and the West branch come together was my backyard.
Does this look familiar. I was just up there about a month ago.

DonnyUv2

ocala I’ve spent countless hours in that River, that part doesn’t look familiar to me. But lots of places on that river look similar. I was usually north of Mastik when I was a river rat.

ocala

That’s at the Cedar PT road bridge looking north.

DonnyUv2

ocala ok. I spend some time each summer at the nature center just up the road from that. The Lagoon between the nature center and Cedar Pt road is pretty cool. I’ve seen bald eagles there a couple times.
I’m willing to bet my African Grey is the only AG that’s been to the top of the steps at the nature center and the only AG the bald Eagles doen there have ever seen.

mechmat

DonnyUv2

Right. Generally streaming hi res you need a good quality hifi setup and a good Internet connect like home internet, not a phone network.

Most modern receivers support hi res streaming, but certainly not phones. You can also get a standalone streamer that will plug into standard analog inputs.

A DAC is a standard part of any digital audio device. Your phone, tv, CD players, etc all have one. The one in your phone is just not equipped for hi res. You can buy external DACs that will work.

So minimum to get hi res Apple Music into your particular setup would probably be iPhone or iPad (running on home wifi) > external DAC > analog input of amplifier.

Hi res uses about the same amount of data as 1080p video.

4GetChicago

That was the bridge I was under a few years back. Had to crop it to be small enough size to upload

DonnyUv2

DrMemory yes
What do you like/want :: effort you invest.

I got a reverb “amp” this weekend, less than 60$. Neat little unit,I’ll use it occasionally but it didn’t cost me much and it’s worth about 150$.

Buck

Michigan legislated a 40% tax cut increase on out of state MJ sales and that starts Jan 1st.

So…get on your bad motor scooter and ride. Don’t come over to my house and spend the night alright alright alright.

Ohio Republicans keep wanting to change our marijuana laws but they are so busy diddling kids and stealing from electric companies they never get around to it.

I did see where they were going to put in words that it is illegal to bring MJ in from another state which is UnAmerican on so many levels. I mean we share common foot trails as well as the federal constitution that gives Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce.

Does it really? Yes. What section? Section you got fing google too.

But do stoners sew the state of Ohio for grievance? No. They drive over and buy their bag of weed just like they always did. Shit. We lived decades in the black market. You don’t scare us with your pomp and circumstance. Now a pee cup….that’s scary. Pee cup is real.

4GetChicago

Buck you can always go over to salamanaca new york on the reservation. About an hour further from Cleveland than MI. Last I heard they had some stuff as low as $40/oz

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